The following is comment from a rabid Jewish “counter-missionary” – posted exactly as written, with my responses below:
JOEL BERGER WROTE:
… if you will close your mouth and open your ears would be glad to explain to you why he is not, using your Bible, he did not live to be past 70 years and have two sons, Isiah 53:10, Psalm 90:10 he did not bring all the Jews back to the land he did not end sickness, hunger, war, bring the knowledge of Hashem to all mankind, build the third and eternal temple begin again animal sacrifice for accidental sin Ezekiel 34-48 the animals did not stop fighting, Isiah 11:2, also Isiah 11:2 he will be an observant Jew who fears Hashem, Hashem, does not fear anything, all men do and will. No man can die for your sins Jeremiah 31:29-3o G-d speaks only against human sin, calls it an abomination and G-d doe not lie or change his mind. Numbers 23:19. He gave is specific instructions ; animals only, only certain animals, and a drop of blood had to be and will again be dropped at the alter, the food was and will again be given to the poor. No instruction on sacrificing man except not to, if he did give instructions, which he did not as he does not lie or change is mind, than Jesus would have had to have a drop of his blood dropped to burn on the alter. 200,000 Jews were crucified, not one had their blood, not one drop put on alter. If you do not like to hear the truth, leave, have a nice day.
MY RESPONSE: Let’s dissect what Mr. Berger said, shall we? Here goes:
BERGER WROTE: “if you will close your mouth and open your ears would be glad to explain to you why he is not, using your Bible, he did not live to be past 70 years and have two sons, Isiah 53:10, Psalm 90:10”
MY RESPONSE: And I am happy to explain why Y’shua IS the Messiah! In response to your first comment, Isaiah 53 isn’t about Israel; it’s all about Y’shua! Why? Well - can Israel DIE for Israel? (No, but Y’shua did! See Matthew 27.) Can Israel be wounded for our transgressions? (No, but Y’shua was! See Matthew 27.)
Can people take Israel's garments and divide them? (No, but that certainly happened in Y’shua’s case! See John 19:23.) WHEN was "Israel" wounded for our transgressions or crushed because of our iniquities? Has the world been HEALED by "Israel"? Not hardly! Y'shua has filled myriads of Tanach prophecies - and people can reject it all they want, but they cannot CHANGE those facts!
You can argue that until you’re blue in the face, and suggest that Y’shua isn’t mentioned in Torah by name and that NT scriptures don’t count because you feel the NT is a myth, etc. - but the fact remains just because YOU believe that the NT is a myth, doesn’t make it so. I believe in God’s “rest of the story” for many reasons, including the fact that Yeshua has so far fulfilled at least 300 prophecies! Who else can make that claim?
Oh, and by the way, the EARTH is God’s altar!
Leviticus 17:11 says that the blood of the sacrifice must be placed "upon the altar to make atonement for your souls".
NOTHING says that the "altar" is to be a place of supreme importance! YHWH never said that an "altar" had to be a "special place" made out of special materials; the altar was simply the place where the sacrifice was offered. Yes, there has to be an altar for the sacrifice and, yes, the altar is a holy place - but the altar is not the central issue.
In Exodus 20:21 (which is verse 24 in some Bibles), YHWH says: "For Me, you need only make an altar of earth...." He goes on to say that if you do make an altar out of stone, not to use cut stones because if you use a tool on it, you profane it....
When Yeshua offered Himself on our behalf, where did his blood spill? On the Earth! The Earth was the altar! Yeshua's blood was sprinkled on the altar to make atonement for us! He WAS, in essence, the final sin sacrifice! He martyred Himself on our behalf. He chose to do that! He could have called down legions of angels to take him off that stake, but He KNEW WHO HE WAS - and He obeyed His Father's Will....
BERGER WROTE: “he did not bring all the Jews back to the land he did not end sickness, hunger, war, bring the knowledge of Hashem to all mankind, build the third and eternal temple begin again animal sacrifice for accidental sin Ezekiel 34-48 the animals did not stop fighting, Isiah 11:2, also Isiah 11:2”
MY RESPONSE: So, who said Messiah would have to do all these things at once according human standards? Do you see any passages in the Tanach that suggest YHWH’s Messiah would have a certain timeframe in which to accomplish all he had to accomplish?
It’s not enough for you that Yeshua has so far fulfilled at least 300 Messianic prophecies? As the Word (John 1:1, 14) and the “Arm” (Isaiah 53:1) he was an intercessor between YHWH and man, who came to proclaim the Kingdom of YHWH and do everything His Father commanded (see Luke 4:43 and 8:1; Acts 28:23), all while leading people back to the Source: YHWH and His Divine Instructions for mankind, without which we would have no blueprint for moral, holy living!
BTW, while certainly “divine” Yeshua wasn’t GOD (God cannot be born or die); nor was he created in the womb of an almah to come onto the scene and "change any rules" as Christianity teaches. For a list of what he accomplished so far, please check out our article.
And BTW – even though your rant didn’t mention it, I’ll just say it anyway:
The Rabbis are correct that Isaiah 7:14 was NOT referring to the future birth of Yeshua; the 7:14 prophecy unfolds within 65 years - the lifetime of the two Kings mentioned in Isaiah. The prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 was used by Matthew, but there was an expectation in Matthew's writings that the reader would understand the reference to Isaiah as he did. Matthew clearly knew the remainder of Isaiah, chapters 9-11 was a progressive revelation of the future Messiah, and that the tie between the prophecies included the word "virgin" (which in the Hebrew translation became "almah").
The prophecy in Isaiah 7:14-25 is about the salvation and regathering of Israel, and that salvation as the prophecy was being revealed, involved a sign of a birth, first to Achaz in Chapter 7, then of a future birth of chapters 9-11. I could go on, but surely you get the gist.
The bottom line is, the BIBLE contains at least 300 prophecies that have already come to pass exactly as was written, and there is no way they could all be "coincidences." (According to scientist and mathematician, Professor Peter Stoner, the probability of even just 48 prophecies being fulfilled by one person (referring to Y'shua) is the incredible number of 1 in 10^157 power - one chance in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion…)
BERGER WROTE: “he will be an observant Jew who fears Hashem, Hashem, does not fear anything, all men do and will.”
MY RESPONSE: Which Yeshua certainly was! He was a Torah-observant, Sabbath-and Mo’edim-keeping, tallit-wearing, synagogue-attending, kosher Jew who did not come to start new religions called "Catholicism" or “Christianity”; but, rather, to fulfill the Old Covenant promises and become the LIVING Word of God.
As our “substitution” (he martyred himself against which there is no law!), he did not come to abolish the Torah, or to nullify God's original commandments in any way. The simple Truth is, Yeshua martyred himself, thus redeeming us by voluntarily shedding his divine blood; and, in doing so, he redeemed us for our past sins (“our” referring to those who accepted YHWH [the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob] as their ELOHIM, and recognized that Yeshua was His Divine Messiah who martyred himself on our behalf).
If you’ll recall, YHWH always demanded blood sacrifices as a substitution/redemption for our lives, as you can see fully explained in our blog (https://blog.therefinersfire.org/2016/02/what-sins-did-jesus-die-for-exactly.html). The bottom line of the article is that one’s salvation always required that blood substitution or redemption of one nephesh (soul) for another.
The possibility of that substitution of an animal at the Temple is gone; it has been replaced by your acceptance that the Messiah died for you, and redeemed you, so you can receive eternal life.
Yeshua volunteered to substitute His nephesh for yours, and yet, today, many reject the offer. Yeshua, sinless, MARTYRED himself, offering His blood for yours, against which there is NO Torah prohibition!
So, how do we know he was a Jew? Well, many people fail to realize or address a major problem associated with the genealogical listing found in Matthew's gospel (which counter-missionaries LOVE to use to prove Yeshua a lie) … The lineage of Mary.
Once you have established that the line is indeed Mary's, you must deal with a second difficulty: The rights of the line are NOT passed through the mother; but rather, through the father. Even though Mary, through her lineage, was of the Davidic bloodline (as was her husband, Joseph - Luke 3:23-38), she should be excluded from being able to pass those rights of the bloodline because she was female (Deuteronomy 21:16).
So, it is not enough to prove that Mary was an unblemished descendant of David; she had to be a male to transfer the rights. Therefore, she would be disqualified to transfer the rights to her son Yeshua - EXCEPT for a little known exception to the rule.
In Numbers 26 we are introduced to Zelophehad. Zelophehad, we are told, had no sons; only daughters. In Numbers 27, following the death of Zelophehad, the daughters of Zelophehad came before Moses and argued their plight. Because their father had died with no sons, all of their rights of inheritance were to be lost and they felt this was unfair. So Moses prayed to YHWH and He gave Moses an exception to the rule!
Numbers 27:8 Moreover, say to the people of Isra'el, 'If a man dies and does not have a son, you are to have his inheritance pass to his daughter. 9 If he doesn't have a daughter, give his inheritance to his brothers. 10 If he has no brothers, give his inheritance to his father's brothers. 11 If his father doesn't have brothers, give his inheritance to the closest relative in his family, and he will possess it. This will be the standard for judgment to be used by the people of Isra'el, as ADONAI ordered Moshe.'"
YHWH told Moses that the inheritance CAN flow through a female, IF they fulfill two requirements: There must be no male offspring in the family (Numbers 27:8) and if the female offspring should marry, they must marry within their own tribe (Numbers 36:6).
Now, returning to Mary. On the surface she should be unable to transfer the rights to her Son. But when you research you find that Mary had NO brothers, she was of the line of David, AND received the inheritance of her father because her father had no sons, AND Mary did indeed marry within her own tribe to Joseph.
BERGER WROTE: “No man can die for your sins Jeremiah 31:29-3o G-d speaks only against human sin, calls it an abomination and G-d doe not lie or change his mind. Numbers 23:19. He gave is specific instructions ; animals only, only certain animals, and a drop of blood had to be and will again be dropped at the alter, the food was and will again be given to the poor. No instruction on sacrificing man except not to, if he did give instructions, which he did not as he does not lie or change is mind, than Jesus would have had to have a drop of his blood dropped to burn on the alter. 200,000 Jews were crucified, not one had their blood, not one drop put on alter. If you do not like to hear the truth, leave, have a nice day.”
MY RESPONSE: Well, then, how do you explain YHWH’s telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac? While Isaac wasn’t meant to be a “sin sacrifice,” the command was still to “sacrifice” him.
And how do you account for the following passages in Torah?
Exodus 28: 36 "You are to make an ornament of pure gold and engrave on it as on a seal, 'Set apart for ADONAI.' 37 Fasten it to the turban with a blue cord, on the front of the turban, 38 over Aharon's forehead. Because Aharon bears the guilt for any errors committed by the people of Isra'el in consecrating their holy gifts, this ornament is always to be on his forehead, so that the gifts for ADONAI will be accepted by him.
Leviticus 6: 25 "Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, 'This is the law of the sin offering: in the place where the burnt offering is slain the sin offering shall be slain before the LORD; it is most holy. 26'The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. It shall be eaten in a holy place, in the court of the tent of meeting. 27'Anyone who touches its flesh will become consecrated; and when any of its blood splashes on a garment, in a holy place you shall wash what was splashed on.…
Leviticus 10: 16 Then Moshe carefully investigated what had happened to the goat of the sin offering and discovered that it had been burned up. He became angry with El'azar and Itamar, the remaining sons of Aharon, and asked, 17 "Why didn't you eat the sin offering in the area of the sanctuary, since it is especially holy? He gave it to you to take away the guilt of the community, to make atonement for them before ADONAI. (CJB)
Also, read Numbers 18 to get a tiny glimpse of the weight that was placed upon the shoulders of Aaron and the other cohanim.
Excerpt from the website MessianicTorah.org:
Priests were established to help the people live in an intimate relationship with the Eternal. Many times people would, by mistake, enter the sanctuary being impure which generated guilt among the people. That guilt had to be removed in order for the people to keep enjoying the Eternal's presence without being exposed to the danger of His anger against sin.
In order to eliminate that guilt, they had to burn on the altar part of the animals destined for this purpose and then eat the rest. So, on the one hand, part of the sin that was transmitted to the animal that bore the guilt of the people was burnt on the altar; and on the other hand the priests ate the rest of the animal and the sin within it. Through these two ways of consuming the animal, sin was removed from the people who, thus, were atoned before the Eternal.
In the Torah this offering is not called "sin offering" but just "sin" chatat – חטאת. In other words, it is written in this verse that the priests had to eat the sin. Since the people's sin was transmitted to the animal through hand imposition, sin was in the sacrifice itself, so it is then called "sin". So when the priests ate from the sacrifice, sin entered in them, and in that way it decomposed in their intestines in the natural way and then got disposed of.
This teaches us that a priest may introduce the sin of the people in his own body, in the form of meat. This makes us think of the Messiah who took the sin of the people of Israel and the world in his body so the Eternal could forgive our sins and cleanse us to be sacred dwellings for Him and also to be able to enter the heavenly tabernacle without danger.
"...who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed." (1 Peter. 2:24 NKJV)
"In a loud voice they sang: Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and praise!" (Rev. 5:12 NIVUK)
Blessed be the Eternal for having given us Yeshua as heavenly priest who took our sins in his body and eliminated them! And blessed be Yeshua for his faithfulness as priest becoming responsible for our sins and taking them away to give us everlasting hope! And blessed are those who believe in the Messiah's sacrifice!
I love that article wholly! Fascinating regarding of eating sin by the priests. Whoa. Hallelu-YAH!!! ❤️🕎❤️ReplyDelete
Thank you, Candido!!!Delete
Loved this whole article.... answered and explains ..so much .... this says it all..... as always ... one I want to re-read over again ... let the Truth reach out... Oh How I love YHWH / YESHUA, ... because HE first loved me ... His Way .. HIS Law... HIS TRUTH is perfect... and all HIS ways are Just... Indeed .. A GOD of faithfulness..... and without Injustice.. So Good and upright is HE....ReplyDelete
AMEIN, Jemima! Thanks for your input, sis.Delete