OUR RESPONSE: Actually, Sophiee is incorrect about the Christians having “three gods.” Christians absolutely view ADONAI as the ONLY God. Unfortunately, they have come to view Jesus as God as well – when, in fact, he was YHWH’s Divine MESSHIAH. (Divine, because he came from God; he was the arm of God, Isaiah 53:1; he was the Word, John 1:1, 14).
And yes, some denominations view “the Holy Spirit” as a “person” – which is absolutely WRONG. However, the Ruach IS from God, a part of God; and, consequently, they refer to the Holy Spirit as “God”….
While Sophiee quotes Isaiah 55:7, she misses the importance of Isaiah 43:11 where HaShem says that HE would be the people’s savior. Since “to be saved” requires a blood substitution (Leviticus 17:11), just how does HaSHem “save” if there is no blood redemption?
(And, any counter-missionaries reading this, before you attempt to counter with your idea about how “mere men cannot atone” – read our blog post, which provides biblical PROOF to the contrary!)
While Christianity certainly has many things “wrong”, one also must give them credit for what they have “right” – which is (unlike traditional Jews who refused to recognize the Messiah ADONAI sent, even while he was walking among them; and who were, in fact, responsible for initiating his death), Christians believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob AND His Messiah.
And for that, people like Sophiee wish to beat them to a pulp … the very people who support Israel. (Muslims don’t, and neither do atheists or most of the secular world which blames Israel for all the problems in the Middle East!) So, shame on the “Sophiees” of the world for that!
Yes, Christians are guilty of “being off the mark” when it comes to Scripture. They have changed the name of the Messiah, along with the dates of his birth, death and resurrection, and come up with their own "holy days" of Christmas and Easter instead of adhering to the commanded Seventh Day Sabbath and Biblical Feasts...all, while dining on swine and shellfish!
But that is exactly why many Christians are coming out of their respective churches and finding their way to Messianic synagogues – which is yet something ELSE the counter-missionaries poke fun at!
Somehow, counter-missionary Jews - who are busy leading Christians and Hebrew Roots types (who aren’t properly grounded in Scripture) AWAY from “Jesus”, and who sit around to constantly (in many cases viciously and in an ungodly manner) berate, harangue and harass those who DO believe that Jesus is the Messiah – view themselves as sin-free and perfect … when, in fact they are just as far from it as Christians who haven’t yet figured out the whole concept of YHWH/Yeshua/Torah.
But yes - Christians DO believe “in the same God” – and at least those who are truly “born again” (unlike most secular and even many “holy” Jews who sit around to fight and argue and use language unbecoming of a believer – exhibit “godly” behavior and reflect their belief to the best of their ability (however much off the mark it might be, because most of them do not yet know Torah).
To deny that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh is just as much of the spirit of Antichrist as to deny that Jesus is the Messiah.
ReplyDeleteMY RESPONSE WILL BE IN TWO SEPARATE POSTS HERE, as this app won't allow long comments:
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but that is not correct. You’re viewing the YAHWEH/Yeshua relationship through Greek, instead of Hebrew eyes; and therefore, not grasping the Father/Son relationship. (I will be spelling the Hebrew letters, Yud-Hey-Vav-Hey, into English as YHWH - and sometimes Yahweh, by adding vowels to help you see that the English spelling is "Yahweh" - most likely pronounced "Yahweh"...)
Yes, Yeshua and His Father ARE ONE because Yeshua was the "arm" of YHWH (Isaiah 53:1). The "arm" is a part of the body, but it's not the whole body. The arm is designed to do what the body's brain tells it to do...) Anyway, Yeshua (which in Hebrew means, "YHWH is Salvation") was created in a human womb by the Father Himself, and that's why Yeshua is DIVINE - BECAUSE of who his Father is.
He was, NOT to "be God" nor to replace God; he was sent to do everything His Father commanded him to do. He had a mission to fulfill, and then, after his death, he returned back to the Father, to the "whole of YHWH" from whence he came... (There are no “humans” in heaven; only divine Beings. When, after Yeshua’s return to earth and Believers receive their new bodies, they won’t be the same as they are now, as we will then be “divine” beings as well…)
Anyway, if you wish to insist on believing that "Jesus is God" I would urge you to read my explanation below, and ask yourself the following questions:
Would "God" (who has always existed and created the entire universe and everything in it), who supposedly manifested himself in the flesh," come to earth as a human baby who had to be taught to walk, talk, and have his diapers changed by mere humans, so He could grow up to become a GOD (who looks like any other HUMAN) and call himself "Jesus" - even though Jesus was a Jew? (Yeshua's given, Hebrew Name means "Yahweh is Salvation" while "Jesus" has no meaning...)
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And do you honestly believe that this "Jesus" (who never heard that name in his entire life!) then turned around and "became" the Father (who somehow CREATED himself in the womb BEFORE He was ever born") and in the end, allowed Himself to be killed by mere humans so He could shed His Divine Blood to atone for humanity, who mostly refuses to accept Him or bother with His commands (Torah, first five Books of the Bible containing ALL of Yahweh's Original Divine Instructions, without which we would have no blueprint for moral, holy living) which were in place before He was ever born?
ReplyDeleteAlso, we cannot not forget that Scripture tells us, the night before Messiah died, he was dreading what he knew was about to happen, to the point of sweating blood and begging HIS FATHER (not himself!) to "take this cup from me. If "Jesus" was God manifested in the flesh, then WHO was he praying to, and why the need for prayer? He could have simply disappeared and never allowed himself to be touched by the evil men who were arresting and about to execute Him!
The thing is, Yeshua, the human, HAD to die (remember GOD Himself CANNOT be BORN OR DIE!) in order to become our Final SIN Sacrifice/Offering, because that is one of the reasons YHWH sent him…
So, the Christian idea of “Jesus” makes no sense. They have created another god by turning "Jesus" into "God in the Flesh", while never even mentioning His FATHER, Yahweh; plus, they’ve even turned the Holy Spirit (the Power of God that resides within Believers) into a “person” – when the ONLY “person” in this thing Christians call a “trinity” – was Yeshua. The Bible tells us that YHWH is Spirit...
Here’s what the Bible – when read in context - reveals of the YHWH/Yeshua relationship:
Yahweh, the Father CREATED His Messiah in a human woman’s womb. Yahweh Himself was always around. No one knows where He originated, but He revealed His Name to Moses - and it was NOT “Jesus” as you can see here:
Exodus 3: 13 And Mosheh said to Elohim, "See, when I come to the children of Yisra'el and say to them, 'The Elohim of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His Name?' what shall I say to them?" 14 And Elohim said to Mosheh, "I am that which I am." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Yisra'el, 'I am has sent me to you.'" (ISR)
NOTE: The Hebrew text reads: ’eyeh ’asher ’eyeh, the word ’eyeh being derived from hayah which means to be, to exist, but the Aramaic text here in v. 14 reads: ayah ashar ayah. This is not His Name, but it is an explanation that leads up to the revelation of His Name in v. 15, namely: יהוה
Exodus 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, "Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra'el, 'יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Yitsh'aq, and the Elohim of Ya'aqob, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.' (ISR)
Yeshua - the divine Messiah whom YHWH placed into Miriam's womb - was a holy and perfect image, of his Father! He came NOT to replace YHWH, but to be His MESSIAH (a human with a divine Nature, unlike anyone ever born!) who was to preach the Good News and do everything his Father commanded - including martyring himself by shedding his Divine Blood to atone for our sins.
Luke 4: 43 "But he (Yeshua/Jesus) said, "I must preach the good news of the Kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent."
Luke 8: 1. And it happened after these things that Y'shua was going around in the cities and in the villages and was preaching and declaring the Kingdom of Elohim.
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And look at this – PAUL taught Yeshua and Torah, as well:
ReplyDeleteActs 28: 23 "From morning till evening the Apostle Paul explained and declared the Kingdom of God and tried to convince people about Yeshua from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets."
Acts 24: 14. But this indeed I (Paul) acknowledge, that in that same doctrine of which they speak, I do serve the Elohim of my fathers, believing all the things written in Torah and in the prophets.
(As you can see, contrary to popular Christian belief, Paul didn’t preach AGAINST Torah (as a mere human, he had no right to do that); he went around preaching about YESHUA AND TORAH!)
Anyway, I would urge you to read the Bible, from cover to cover (not just the so-called "New Testament" from which you take your ideas about someone the Greek Bible versions called "Jesus" - because the real Yeshua (whose Hebrew Name means "Yahweh is Salvation") is NOT who Christian churches have tried to force him into being.
The answer as to "who" GOD is, is outlined in the first three-fourths of the Bible. Once we understand that, that is when our eyes are opened to recognize that Yeshua was the MESSIAH, who was divine BECAUSE of who his Father was; and that he was sent on a mission to preach the Kingdom of YHWH and do everything His Father commanded him to do.
I hope this helps, but please know in order to truly understand the YHWH/Yeshua relationship, we MUST read the entire Bible, in sequence, from start to finish. In the meantime, I strongly urge you to read a couple of our articles which will help to explain all this further:
https://therefinersfire.org/simple_torah.htm
https://therefinersfire.org/name_of_god2.htm
https://therefinersfire.org/original_commandments1.htm