Thursday, January 10, 2019

Countering more nonsense espoused by those who have rejected Jesus to follow Jewish counter-missionaries

It’s absolutely amazing how far the Jewish “counter-missionaries” and their followers and converts will go to “disprove” ADONAI’s Messiah! The following is just a tiny sample of the slanted assertions and allegations they make about “Jesus. Carefully check out the below, and then be sure to read our responses:


According to the traditional Jewish definition of the term, the Messiah will make changes in the real world, changes that one can see and perceive and be able to prove, precisely because they take place in the real world. It is for this task that the Messiah has been anointed in the first place, hence the term, messiah -- one who is anointed. These perceptible changes include:

• The Messiah reestablishes the Davidic dynasty through his own children (Daniel 7:13-14). But Jesus had no children.

• The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, all peoples, and all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9). Obviously there is no peace. Furthermore, Jesus said that his purpose in coming was to bring a sword, and not peace (see Matthew 10:34, as referenced above).

• The Messiah brings about the world-wide conversion of all peoples to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.

• The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.

• The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of Gd is Gd (Isaiah 11:9). But the world remains steeped in idolatry.

• The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9).

• The Messiah gathers to Israel all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24).

• The Messiah rebuilds the Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28).

• After the Messiah comes, there will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30).

• After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8).

• Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6).

• The nations of the earth will help the Jews materially (Isaiah 60:5-6; 60:10-12).

• The Jews will be sought out for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23).

• All weapons will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9,12).

• The Nile will run dry (Isaiah 11:15).

• Monthly, the trees of Israel will yield their fruit (Ezekiel 47:12).

• Each tribe of Israel will receive and settle their inherited land (Ezekiel 47:13-13).

• The nations of the earth will recognize that they have been in error, that the Jews had it right all along, and that the sins of the Gentile nations - their persecutions and the murders they committed - have been borne by the Jewish people (Isaiah 53).

These biblically-based changes in the world are very real, perceptible, noticeable, and knowable. The changes that Christianity claims were made by Jesus are not perceptible at all.

They must be accepted on faith, and faith alone. How can one establish that Jesus died for one's sins, except by faith? The changes made by the Messiah according to Judaism would be provable, but the changes made by the messiah according to Christianity can only be taken on faith.

Even Christians recognize that the changes the real Messiah will make, according to the Bible and Judaism, have not yet happened. This is why Christianity had to invent the idea of a Second Coming. And, by the way, the real Messiah has no need to come a second time to do those things -- he must do them the first time around in order to actually be the Messiah.


Those with actual discernment about Scripture are able to immediately recognize that whoever wrote the above, is simply grasping at straws. For instance, WHERE in Torah (or anywhere else in the Bible) does it say that the Messiah would HAVE to fulfill ALL the requirements in a certain timeframe? Answer: NOWHERE!

Truth is, MOST of the assertions in the charges above were already fulfilled! (See our article. )

Those that haven’t been, WILL be fulfilled upon Yeshua’s return, during his 1,000 year reign on earth! Some of those things couldn’t be accomplished until the earth and mankind have been “cleaned up” and culled, as outlined in the Books of Daniel and Revelation! See passages such as Deuteronomy 32:23-25; Jeremiah 16:3-5; Matthew 24:5-7; Mark 13:7-9; Luke 21:10-12; 2 Timothy 3: 1-2; Revelation 6:7-9 and 18:7-9, etc.

Things will change DRASTICALLY when Yeshua returns, not as a baby this time, but as The Lion of Judah (see Daniel 9:26; Revelation 19:11–16) when he will begin to fulfill the REST of those prophecies that counter-missionaries are all up in arms about!

Then and ONLY then will true peace on earth be established, and hunger and famine and illness, etc. will be wiped out, etc. Until Yeshua’s return, chaos will reign as it always has, because mere men, constantly straying from Torah, have never been able to build successful, lasting empires.

As for the silly assertion that "his own children" would “reestablish the Davidic Dynasty - WHERE in Daniel 7:13-14 does it suggest that? Let's take a look at that passage, shall we?

Daniel 7:13 I kept watching the night visions, when I saw, coming with the clouds of heaven, someone like a son of man. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. 14 To him was given rulership, glory and a kingdom, so that all peoples, nations and languages should serve him. His rulership is an eternal rulership that will not pass away; and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. (CJB)

Not ONE THING about Messiah having his "own children!" Whoever wrote the above is doing a lot of assuming! Clearly, they can’t see any interpretation of the phrase “His rulership is an eternal rulership that will not pass away…” except as only being possible through offspring. Typical human mindset....

And for grins, here’s a second example of this person’s “scripture-twisting,” where they insist “The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9).” Honestly, it is a real stretch to conclude that from Isaiah 11:6-9!

Scripture does NOT actually SAY that men would become vegetarians, anymore than it says that Messiah would be a mere man who would have children, or that he HAD to fulfill ALL the prophecies at once... Scripture also doesn't say that "The real Messiah has no need to come a second time to do those things -- he must do them the first time around in order to actually be the Messiah."

As for this person's comment that Yeshua said he would bring not peace but a sword, please see our article, which serves to explain the meaning of Messiah's words in Matthew 10:34.

Judging by the above, it appears that once someone "rejects Jesus," they become blind, gullible, hateful beings unable to discern the plain meaning of Scripture passages, while seemingly being driven to spend way too much time discussing the one they rejected!

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