You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand, like I did by leaving Christianity behind in the dust! Start LISTENING to the Jews - the ORIGINAL people who KNEW EXACTLY about these topics and how DISTORTED the Christian version really is.
Jews did not and do not reject jesus out of ignorance or malice but out of knowledge give to them by God Himself. They were the one who God told about the coming messiah. They didn't get it wrong. And BTW, don’t try to tell me your "jesus was a Jew" or that "the first christians were Jews". it is all just part of the big lie.
I have been there and done that - walked your walk... 15 years in christian from Copeland, AOG, Southern Baptist, Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots.... seen and done it all, and realized it was all a huge lie!
Wake up and smell the coffee, people! You're deluded and deceived!
Thanks for your comment. We’re truly sorry to see that you are now a rabid “counter-missionary” who has rejected God's Divine Messiah and His "rest of the story"; yet cannot for some reason (like everyone else who’s ever rejected Messiah Yeshua) seem to quit talking about him.
There are many flaws in your arguments, but suffice it to say "Jews" were not the "original people. There were no Jews until Jacob had a son named Yehudah...where the term "Jew" originated. Yet ALL who had accepted YHWH up until then were "Torah observant."
And let's not forget there we 12 tribes standing at Mt. Sinai (not just "the Jews). AND the pagan foreigners who had followed Moshe out of the Egypt and were told by God Himself that if they accepted Him, they were to do EXACTLY as His people did, as there was no difference between His natural and adopted children! (Numbers 15:13-16)
Your comment, "I have walked your walk, etc.” reveals that you simply fell prey to gullibility and apparently have a comprehension problem, or else you would never have believe the lies that Jewish counter-missionaries use to lure people away from “Jesus”!
If you had actually READ Scripture through the lens of the Ruach, you would never have done any "religion surfing" or fallen for anybody’s ear-tickling LIES. Every counter-missionary I’ve ever personally encountered has the same story. They went from this denomination to that denomination to that religion, etc...
And that includes a popular counter-missionary – former Christian pastor, former Hebrews teacher and ultimately “Jesus rejecter” who now hangs with the big-wig counter-missionary rabbis, who admits in one of his videos that he allowed the likes of one self-proclaimed loud-mouthed and mean-spirited Messianic “rabbi” (who literally threatened him and his family with violence) to turn him completely off to Messiah Yeshua… What a sad statement for a pastor who was supposedly grounded in Scripture! If he let the rabid lunatic he named in his video turn him off toward YHWH’s TRUTH (including the Messiah), then there was something severely wrong in his own mind….
My question for you and your ilk is, if Jews are all-knowledgeable and all-understanding when it comes to Scripture, then why were they originally scattered into the nations? I'll tell you why: Because of their endless disobedience to YHWH and His Torah! WHY did they allow religions and idolatory and homosexuality (which YHWH calls an abomination!) to enter their Land since 1948? Because they've become soft and "tolerant!" And pray tell, WHY did they give away the Temple Mount???? Torah certainly never told them to do that "for the sake of peace" or anything else....
Also, if they're so all-fired-awesome and knowledgeable when it comes to Scripture, why have they never figured out that Isaiah 53 is all about Messiah? And please don't try to tell me "It's all about Israel" - Can Israel DIE for Israel? (No, but Y’shua did! See Matthew 27.) Can Israel be wounded for our transgressions? (No, but Y’shua was! See Matthew 27.)
Can people take Israel's garments and divide them? (No, but that certainly happened in Y’shua’s case! See John 19:23.) WHEN was "Israel" wounded for our transgressions or crushed because of our iniquities? Has the world been HEALED by "Israel"? Not hardly! Y'shua has filled myriads of Tanach prophecies - and people can reject it all they want, but they cannot CHANGE those facts!
The bottom line is, people like you blame everyone but themselves when it comes to answering the question as to why they decided to reject YHWH’s Divine Messiah – the one who already come once and will return again soon.
There's no need to continue writing to our website (The Refiner’s Fire) to “yell” at us for NOT following in your footsteps, because we only follow SCRIPTURE. Save your excuses for Messiah Yeshua when he returns when you find yourself trembling before him on bended knee.
Philippians 2:5. And think you so in yourselves, as Y’shua the Mashiyach also thought; 6. who, as he was in the likeness of Elohim, did not regard it sinful to be the coequa of Elohim; 7. yet disinherited himself and assumed the likeness of a servant, and was in the likeness of men and was found in fashion as a man; 8. and he humbled himself and became obedient to death, even the death of the stake.
9. Wherefore, also, Elohim has highly exalted him and given him a name which is more excellent than all names; 10. that at the name of Y’shua every knee should bow, of (beings) in heaven and on earth and under the earth; 11. and every tongue will avow MarYah – that is Y’shua the Messiah – to the glory of Eleha his father. (AENT)
NOTE: More that his literal birth name Y’shua (which was and is a common Hebrew name), and more than the perfect reputation that his name represents. Y’shua bears the Name of YHWH, the “name above all names”! Y’shua has the Name and reputation of the Father YHWH in him (John 17:11) and the name means “YHWH is Salvation” (Matthew 1:21).
The BEST thing you could do for yourself is to lay aside your pride, get on your knees and repent and return to the WHOLE Truth before it's too late. This endless squabbling about God and the Bible is senseless and silly, and will only result in eternal separation from YHWH for those who fell for things that completely go against Scripture and are out there trying to teach others to follow them and their opinions.