Friday, July 31, 2015

Defending Paul

Comment by someone who has rejected Yeshua:
Paul is very clear in his teaching even though he's very Hellenistic and seems bi-polar at times. When he says the 'god' of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God - that is a direct violation of Torah where we're commanded NOT to make an image of YHVH even in the form of a male/man.

When I was in the messianic movement, I noticed an enormous amount of time and energy was spent trying to defend Paul and how he was just 'misunderstood'. It never added up, because in reality Paul said exactly what he meant many times. And other times he sounded like a Greek philosopher speaking jibberish.

The first step of leaving Christianity is leaving Paul. Once you realize Paul was a false teacher teaching a false Greek messiah because of a vision, then the whole house of cards fall pretty fast.

Messianic response:

It's easy to misunderstand Paul when viewing his writings through your Greek mindset!  Peter even said Paul would be hard to understand:

2 Peter 3:15. And account the long suffering of Master YHWH to be redemption; as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom conferred on him, wrote to you; 16. as also in all his letters speaking in them of these things in which there is something difficult to be understood; (and) which they who are ignorant and unstable pervert, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17. You therefore, my beloved, as you know (these things) beforehand, guard yourselves or else, by going after the error of the Torahless, you fall from your steadfastness. 18. But be you growing in grace and in the knowledge of our Master and Redeemer Y’shua the Mashiyach and of Elohim the Father: whose is the glory now and always and to the days of eternity. Amen. (AENT)

It’s rather interesting that Peter wrote of how Paul’s letters had already been turned into a Torahless fiasco, even in Peter’s day! Certainly it was not the Pharisees who were renouncing Torah Observance, but the humanist, pagan and materialist, “modernists” who operated under “Christian” labels.  And sadly, these misunderstandings still exist today, amply demonstrated by your comments...and still today people are falling for the lies of those who speak against Paul....

To see some of Paul's teachings in context, please check out our articles:  Book of Romans and Churchianity.

3 comments:

  1. Firstly, I am a seeker of Elohim and Yeshua and the original Truth. However, my research suggests Paul to be an imposter who was constantly in conflict with James, the one Yeshua left in charge. I am open to scriptural proof, but would always stand by the words of Jesus' first appointed which hold to Torah where Paul's teachings and his associates' stray.

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  2. Thank you for your comments. The problem could be because you've been viewing Paul through the Greek eyes and mindset, thanks to the various NT translations. We suggest you obtain a copy of the Aramaic English New Testament (AENT) which serves to put the writings of Paul back into their proper context. In the meantime, please read our articles concerning Paul: https://therefinersfire.org/book_of_romans1.htm, https://therefinersfire.org/churchianity.htm and https://therefinersfire.org/romans2.htm

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  3. Hello Anonymous,

    Interesting comment. I read Paul and I see nothing Paul says that "strays" from Torah of the words of Yeshua. Difficult to understand, yes, but not "wrong". When you read Paul, my recommendation is that when you read something which sounds wrong, dig to find out why it seems that way. Because if it sounds like Paul is wrong, it is always because the interpretation that is wrong, not Paul. Reading Paul is made more difficult because most English Bibles have skewed the Word to "bias" the language of the NT to deny Torah! One must really dig deep to ascertain what Paul was really teaching. When studying Paul, as Carmen said, we turn to the oldest NT manuscripts we can find, which have not been biased by the Church. Good luck!

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