Tuesday, November 18, 2014

Challenging: “Why The Jews Don’t Believe In Jesus…And Never Will”

Rabbis at both Aish.comhttp://www.aish.com / and Jews for Judaism are knocking themselves out to prove Y’shua is NOT the Messiah. They post:  “One of the most common questions we receive at Aish.com is: ‘Why don’t Jews believe in Jesus?’ Let’s understand why ― not in order to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position." And then they go to great lengths to disprove “Jesus and the New Testament” – suggesting, in part, that it was due to the mistranslations of the myriad Bible “versions”, etc.

Our question at The Refiner’s Fire is:  If they’re not out to “disparage other religions” then why do they spend enormous amounts of time and energy trying to DISPROVE Y’shua and the New Testament?  (Google the terms “anti-missionaries” or “counter missionaries” and see how many articles come up – it’s absolutely mind-boggling!)  One can certainly “clarify the Jewish position” by simply ignoring the “noise” and just concentrating on teaching the Torah and Tanach. Instead, “they” are out there on various radio and YouTube videos blatantly making fun of those who teach about Y’shua!

Traditional Jews spend about as much time on disproving Y’shua as Christians spend on proving why December 25th is the supposed real birthdate of “Christ” (even though man-made traditions and “holy days” are rendered worthless by God Himself – see our articles on the pagan origins of Christmas and Christmas is unbiblical.)

The bottom line is:  This whole Judaism vs. Christianity/Messianic Judaism/Hebrew Roots is nothing more than a “you say/we say” battle ground, fraught with mostly opinions that don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.  Everybody has an opinion. “The Word says this!”  “Oh no, it doesn’t!  It says THAT!” … OPINIONS!  Anybody can take a Bible verse and twist it into meaning what THEY want it to mean. It’s an endless battle of “my religion is better than yours.”

Well, here’s something to chew on:  YHWH’s Word is not about “religion” or “opinions”; “religion” is simply man-made nonsense – theologies based on what MAN THINKS God said! “Religions” have nothing to do with God and the Bible. YHWH’s Divine Instructions in Righteousness as written down by Moshe in the Torah are Truth!  The Neviim (prophets) are Truth; the Ketuvim (writings) are Truth … as are the Ketuvim Netzarim (writings of the Netzarim/Nazarenes), commonly known as Brit Chadasha/New Testament.  Whether traditional Jews (and their mean-spirited converts who write snippy comments all over the Internet) choose believe the Ketuvim Netzarim or not, the fact remains that YHWH constantly alluded to a “rest of the story” – which, upon non-biased inspection from a Hebrew viewpoint 
  -  perfectly fits into, and lines up with, the first two-thirds of the Bible!

The only problem is, “man” (including Jewish rabbis) has skewed the entire Bible so much, that confusion, misperception and doubt overshadow YHWH’s TRUTH.  (There are Bible verses – in both the OT and the NT that predict this would happen!)

Returning to the original point - sure, it’s okay to challenge someone’s ideas and opinions and theology, but we really need to examine ourselves if our WHOLE FOCUS in life becomes arguing, fighting and challenging the OPINIONS of others!  Case in point, Rabbi Skobac of Jews for Judaism is in the process of trying to dissect and disprove every one of the 365 Messianic prophecies listed in our article!   (This radio interview is just one example of many.)  While we certainly respect his position and knowledge of Torah, we also realize he is just a man, like all the rabbis before him, trying to understand God.  He is just as fallible as the rest of us....

Another “mere man” - a young, Jewish lawyer – came to believe that Y’shua is THE Messiah, after trying to disprove Him, back in 2005.  The 48 prophecies in this article came straight from the mind of this young man, who graciously allowed us to post them on our site for all to see!

Aramaic scholar and author Andrew Gabriel Roth (Aramaic English New Testament  and One Faith One People Ministries) has a similar story.  He told us he used to have fun debating Christians (and pretty much making mincemeat out of their theology) while he was in college ... until one day when it suddenly dawned on him that Y’shua was the “netzer/branch”.  Afterwards, he began to study the NT like never before, and a whole new world opened for him!  He once wrote:  “Netzarim is a SCRIPTURAL and  not a cultural, title.  Y'shua says in John ‘I am the vine and you are the branches,’, and from there is natural to link ‘He will be called a Nazarene’ (Matthew 2:23) with NETZER as righteous branch in Isaiah. It’s a name that Rav Shaul agrees is proper under interrogation in Acts 24:5.  If anyone were to use ANY alternate term, it would Mishkhanee (Messianic). The only OTHER title for Gentiles, is KRISTIANAY, which does appear twice even in Aramaic because that's what Gentile believers were called. But the Shlichim (Apostles) NEVER WERE “Christian!” … which certainly punches a hole in the endless insistence of traditional Jews who INSIST that once a Jew believes in Y’shua, he/she is automatically “Christian”....

The thing is, traditional Jews absolutely refuse to “see the other side.”  They automatically reject it – and they LOVE to micromanage the Messianic prophecies!   (They even came up with a  “Six-minute counter missionary course” - which supposedly proves that Yeshua and the New Testament are “a farce” ...  Well, we have answered every one of their allegations in our short article, as well!)  Some Jews have no problem believing that the
"Lubavitcher Rebbe" - Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, who died June 12, 1994 is the promised Jewish Messiah, and they are still waiting for him to raise the dead!  (We have shown in this article why he can't possibly even qualify!)  It's totally ironic that they believe a mere MAN can be Messiah, and that they have no problems living by the Talmud and engaging in Kaballah; but mention Y'shua, and they go berserk! There is one woman on Facebook (someone who used to be Christian and has rejected Messiah Y'shua) who is constantly NOMINATING some guy in Israel to be the Messiah - and people are "liking" her posts in droves!  Where in Scripture are we told we can NOMINATE the Messiah???

No matter how many Bible verses one can produce to counter “them” (and woe be unto you if you attempt to present New Testament scripture because they’ll immediately pounce on those), they will NEVER address YOUR points or bother to answer YOUR questions!  They always steer the conversation onto the next “challenge” on their agenda.  We know this because we have actually ANSWERED many of their challenges!  Our responses have been on The Refiner’s Fire for at least 10 years, but we have yet to see ONE traditional Jew show us biblically where we are wrong!  But they are certainly out there, continuing to toot their own horns and push the same, tired “challenges” time and time again.  (Much like Christians who will pound you to death with the SAME, TIRED theology about how we are “under grace” because “Jesus paid it all” and nothing else is required, because all those “laws” were meant “only for the Jews”.... They have never yet figured out that it's "same God, same rules!")

Below is a short list of some traditional Jewish arguments – with the links in parentheses to our articles that counter them:

“Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because”:

1.    Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.  (The Refiner's Fire responds:  See Accurate Messiah Prophecies and Messianic Prophecies, and decide for yourself - without letting your personal opinions get in the way!  Replying, “No he didn’t!  Isaiah 53 is about Israel” or any other personal opinion, doesn’t cut it!)

2.    Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.  (
The Refiner's Fire responds:  See Qualifications of Messiah in a nutshell.)

3.    Biblical verses “referring” to Jesus are mistranslations.  (
The Refiner's Fire responds:  Yes, let’s look at some of the revisionism that can be found in the JPS, shall we?)

4.    Jewish belief is based on national revelation.  (
The Refiner's Fire responds:  True!  The Tribe of Yehudah was chosen to take Torah into the world and safeguard and preserve it [Genesis 49:10, Micah 4:2].  But, let's not forget: YHWH caused Yeshua to be born into the Tribe of Yehudah/Judah. See the many articles the answer more of their challenges on our Messianic Judaism page.) 

5.    Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).  (
The Refiner's Fire responds: See Yeshua qualifications.)

6.    Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).  (
The Refiner's Fire responds:  There is no language that specifies the Messiah will bring the Jews back to Israel. The language states only that God will lead the Jews back to Israel. If you then point to Isaiah 11:10 - 11:12, you must distinguish between what the Messiah will do: "BE a banner to all nations" and what God will actually do: "RAISE a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel."  Thus, one must distinguish between the roles of God in heaven, and the Messiah on earth. This contention is reinforced by Zechariah 10:8-12, which provides that God (not the Messiah on earth) will gather the Jews back to Israel.)

7.    Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4) – (
The Refiner's Fire responds: See Yeshua Qualifications.)

8.    Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: “God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).  (
The Refiner's Fire responds:  See our article Yeshua Qualifications.)

As mentioned above, anyone can twist Scripture to suit their agenda.  But the bottom line is, arguing really doesn’t resolve anything.  As the old adage goes:  "Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still." The traditional Jews and their hangers-on/converts have literally taken their lives into their own hands by playing “word games” and thus rejecting Y'shua!  Just because MAN with his many Bible "versions" and misinterpretations has missed the mark doesn't mean that YHWH did! 

One day, when we are all out of our “earth suits” we will stand before our Maker to give an account of our life here on earth, and then we WILL ALL KNOW HIS TRUTH!  In the meantime, our prayer is that “religious folk” would stop the arguing and bickering and start concentrating on God and His Word – ALL of it.


  1. Thank you for this post Sister Shali. It is sad to think that there are Jews out there trying to prove that Y'shua is not the Messiah. It reminds me of what happened (what i saw in the movie) when Y'shua was crucified, He came down to earth and He gave His life for the sinner like me but the Pharisees and Rabbis were trying to disprove Him. I'm not sure why Y'shua's death on the stake was not enough for these "teachers" to understand. Anyway, in Revelation 14 says "This is when perseverance is needed on the part of God’s people, those who observe his commands and exercise Yeshua’s faithfulness." I hope these words are enough for them to believe in Y'shua. Shalom.

  2. Thanks for your comment! Yes, it's sad to know that most traditional Jews (and their converts who have rejected Y'shua!) will only engage in conversation about Him "from a distance" - meaning, they purposely hold Him at bay, and rarely ever bother to call Him by His REAL Name! They INSIST on referring to Him as "Jesus"...WHY? Because Jesus doesn't mean anything; but Y'shua means "Yah is Salvation" or "Yah Saves." If you distance yourself from that, then it makes it a lot easier to reject Him!

    The biggest reason for rejecting Him is because they view Him as a "human sacrifice" - which is way off base as we have outlined in our article at http://www.therefinersfire.org/yeshuas_blood.htm which says, in part: (Continued in a second comment, because there are only so many characters allowed.)

    1. The above comments by Rabbi Tovia Singer of Outreach Judaism shows just how far traditional Jews will go to deny Yeshua! Notice first of all that, in order to keep the world's Savior a "Christian myth", Singer refuses to use His given, Hebrew Name which means YHWH is Salvation....

      Question: If YHWH created the universe and everything in it, including mankind who was created from dust, why can't He present an aspect of Himself in human form, especially since He's done it before (Genesis 3:8, 18:1-3)?

      Rabbi Singer is correct in suggesting God never demanded a human sacrifice. But there is no Torah prohibition against martyrs - which is what Y'shua was! He was a human martyr who had a divine qnoma/nature. However, while we weren't supposed to offer human sacrifices, YHWH - as our Elohim and Almighty and Creator of the entire universe - certainly can do anything He wants! And what the Bible clearly shows He planned on doing (as evidenced throughout the Tanach, and specifically in Isaiah 53 and in the Biblical Feasts) was to send us a Messiah who would carry out His Word to the letter. And that Messiah chose to martyr Himself....as a sin OFFERING!

      According to a footnote in the Aramaic English New Testament:

      Offerings "qurbana" and sacrifices "dabekha" are two different entities. Although there are certain aspects to Mashiyach's death that are utterly unique to him (Zechariah 12:10, etc.), his death nevertheless echoes aspects of offerings and sacrifices that came before. The qurbana is the human life (nefesh) that Y'shua voluntarily offers up on the stake. The result of that offering is his blood put out on the "altar"; hence dabekha.

      However, this is certainly not, as some critics suggest, human sacrifice. Rather, this indicates Y'shua's status as Mashiyach ben Yoseph. Per strict accordance with Isaiah 53 and Genesis 22:8, Mashiyach ben Yoseph was required to suffer and die. After his death, the offering of himself became a sacrifice that was taken up, and he was resurrected three days later. Many of YHWH's prophets also suffered and were martyred at the hands of those who fought against the Malchut Elohim. In the case of Mashiyach, his shed blood is counted as the acceptable offering, the Lamb of YHWH, which is most Set Apart unto YHWH.

      Deuteronomy 18:18-19: I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen, like you (Moses), and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak all that I command him. And it shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.

      YHWH sent us a DIVINE Offering in the form of Yeshua, the Torah observant Messiah in a human "shell", who was an aspect of YHWH sent to Earth in a form with which we could identify - as opposed to talking through a burning bush (Exodus 3:1-5), appearing to Abraham in human form/"three men" at the Oaks of Mamre (Genesis 18:1-2;17; Isaiah 48:12,16) or speaking through a donkey (Numbers 22 and 23). Yeshua was to teach us about YHWH, to show us how we were to worship YHWH, and how to live together according to His desires; and then to offer Himself - the Divine Entity who raised the dead, walked on water and turned water into wine - as the Final Sin Offering.

      Yeshua did exactly what the Torah Scriptures predicted. What more could be asked of Him? Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9 both predict the death of Messiah and His resurrection. And Zechariah tells us something very interesting about the Messiah's return:

      Zechariah 12: 10 "And I (YHWH) will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a firstborn."

  3. You are so right. They don't want the True Messiah Y'shua. They would rather believe a lie!! It is come down to one thing. The Return of ..... YHWH I am prepred.


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