Saturday, September 16, 2017

In the grand scheme of things….

Ever thought about how small and insignificant we are, in the grand scheme of things? Nearly 20 years ago, NASA’s Cassini spacecraft left Earth and began a seven-year journey across the solar system. Its destination? Ringed Saturn and its many, many moons. After more than a decade exploring the system, Cassini plunged to its doom in the planet’s atmosphere on September 15, 2017. You can take a look at Cassini’s voyage and its greatest achievements by clicking on this link:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2017/09/cassini-saturn-nasa-3d-grand-tour/?utm_source=NatGeocom&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=specialedition_cassini_20170915&utm_campaign=Content&utm_rd=18923577+#finale

16 comments:

  1. Carmen:

    This is going to sound very weird.
    Have you ever looked into the flat earth theory?
    There are some scientific AND Scriptural arguments that do support this.
    i am not saying i believe it, but it is interesting.
    i also do NOT believe humans landex on the moon with 1950's technology, and no one even with todays technology!?

    i do not really know why i am writing this as it has always been my policy to leave it to HIM to unfold HIS mysteries, and deal with thingz i understand and can do.
    Also, i find HIS "workmanship", creators touch here on Earth itself, and its mysteries. i love science especially Biology!

    Love to HIM

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    1. Er, yes we have "looked into the flat earth theory." See our blogs on this http://blog.therefinersfire.org/2017/02/stop-with-flat-earth-nonsense-already.html

      And man DID land on the moon. Have you ever asked yourself why anyone would lie about landing on the moon? Or why someone was trying to keep from us that the earth was really flat?

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    2. Anonymous,

      You said: "There are some scientific AND Scriptural arguments that do support [the flat earth]". No there is not. There are NO scriptures which compel or require the earth to be flat. And humans have, for hundreds of years now, known the earth is spherical, rotating, and in orbit around the sun. There is no "scientific evidence" that the earth is flat! There is only lack of knowledge and understanding by some who then make Youtube videos to display their ignorance to millions.

      Humans have gone into space and humans have landed on the moon. If you don't believe it, or doubt it, I encourage you to spend time in a real library instead of on the Internet or on Youtube to find out how it was done. You may find it interesting that going to the moon is only an energy and navigation problem, and was brilliantly accomplished with 1950's and 1960's technology much in the same way that John Harrison solved the longitude problem for navigation of the seas in the late 1700's with 1700's technology!

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  2. Carmen, I was reading articles on www.icr.org and www.answersingenesis.org that during the worldwide Flood, the earth, the moon and other planets suffered bombardment from either comets, meteors or asteroids.

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    1. Hi Kevin,

      That would be a "stretch". Since the Biblical flood was long before ANY recordkeeping, and no astronomical software can "predict" what happened in the ancient past since the ephemerides of any such bodies (comets, meteors or asteroids) which would have bombarded the earth, moon, and planets in that time, are COMPLETELY unknown, then anyone saying this happened is simply speculating.

      Scripture certainly gives no hint of said bombardment. Scripture only says it rained, heavily. If it rained, then it was probably cloudy, and if it was cloudy, no one could know if there were comets, meteors or asteroids hitting the earth, moon, or planets!

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  3. 1. cited your page:

    "You are guilty of “reading into” and allowing yourself to be led astray by brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoops who don’t understand the first thing about physics or astronomy!"

    O.k. So, perhaps thy words are but a little wee bit strong in judgement, even IF you are right and they are wrong?

    Now, of course, this also means that you know and understand not just "the first thing about physics or astronomy", but are endowed in knowledge through higher education,
    that you are able to refute the many professors and scientists, whom do believe this?

    Are you fully able to go toe to toe head to head with them?

    Of course this also means you haved thoroughly studied for many hours deep like a Berean, and prayerfully,...
    looking at all angles, all arguments, and can refute every scientific theory these " brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoops", have come up with?

    Now, please do not get me wrong: i said:
     "i am not saying i believe it, but it is interesting."

    i find it very interesting, as there is a wealth of information out there.
    i did not say i believe.

    Am seeking truth.

    What is disturbing to me is how whomever laid out there argument as if they are beyond university, high I.Q., top scientist material, in there disputation concerning my humble question, which, twice now, i have stated " i am not saying i believe it".
    i am aways seeking HIS TRUTH, and as all the world has been decieved, i, as a amateur scientist, am always open to future possible correction!

    By being humble, open to other possibilities, maybe not with this issue, as all i was really doing was seeking your take on it. But, perhaps there really IS some TRUTH, to things that we humans think are certain, but they are not.

    Really just a knowledge sponge, asking your take on things is all.

    As for the moon landings: i DO  NOT believe humans landed on the moon with their1950's technology, and no one has even to this day, even with todays technology.

    A few reasons really:

    - It did not cost that much to "supposedly" go there and back. Yet no one has gone since!

    - The Van Allen Belt had to be gone thru twice, and most astronauts lived a long healthy life.

    - The Wests "enemies" , or competitors have not even made the attempt, even with Russia's superior rocket science and even now its astronautic experience.

    - Although putting space observatories on the moon would be more logical due to things like space junk, etc., a fixed scope would be superior to anything we have here on earth
    But no go.

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    1. Many issues here Anonymous, and since we don't know which "anonymous" to whom we are responding, we don't know if the questions are genuine or if we are being baited by our antagonists. Should you choose to have a name, perhaps this would be easier. But, let me see what I can do to answer your many issues.

      First: You commented on another blog post when you said "1. cited your page: You are guilty of 'reading into' and allowing yourself to be led astray by brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoops who don’t understand the first thing about physics or astronomy!"

      You, Anonymous, quoted, without citing, http://blog.therefinersfire.org/2017/02/stop-with-flat-earth-nonsense-already.html

      To which you said: "O.k. So, perhaps thy words are but a little wee bit strong in judgement, even IF you are right and they are wrong?

      Now, of course, this also means that you know and understand not just 'the first thing about physics or astronomy', but are endowed in knowledge through higher education, that you are able to refute the many professors and scientists, whom do believe this?

      Are you fully able to go toe to toe head to head with them?"

      Yes. I can go toe to toe with them. And no, claiming such people are "brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoops" is not judgemental. They are, brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoops!

      More in next post.

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    2. When you say: "i am not saying i believe it, but it is interesting", you are expressing doubt of something that is simply fact. The earth is not flat and man has landed on the moon. To have doubt in either of those two facts is the same thing as saying "I'm not sure the Civil War happened." Well, to resolve your doubt you would turn to history and for history you would turn to TRUSTED sources. Today we have a problem with TRUSTED sources. Honestly, I have no idea who you are but if you are getting you info off Facebook and YouTube, you are likely being misled. There is much valuable information on the Internet in general, but one must have the skill to dismiss the garbage which is intermingled with the valid. So my recommendation is to go to a real library to sort out your concerns with the issues of "flat earth" and the manned moon landing.

      Honestly, when you must say "I find [some theory] interesting" and you already don't know how to assess it, I'm sorry, but you are in need of serious study.

      More next post.

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    3. Now let me address your specific issues:

      YOU SAID "- It did not cost that much to 'supposedly' go there and back. Yet no one has gone since!"

      Answer: It cost BILLIONS of dollars! After the first few landings on the moon, the US Congress decided not to fund any more moon flights. No one has gone since because no nation can muster the will and the money! It is enormously expensive and even the "great" nations today are loathe to spend money on such endeavors when national problems take such precedence.

      YOU SAID: "- The Van Allen Belt had to be gone thru twice, and most astronauts lived a long healthy life."

      Answer: So? The Apollo capsule spent just a few hours passing through the Van Allen Belt each direction (I've forgotten the exact times) and the capsule itself was designed to reduce the radiation threat. The deniers make a big deal of this, yet in reality, very little time was spent passing through this region of near-earth space.

      YOU SAID: "- The Wests 'enemies' , or competitors have not even made the attempt, even with Russia's superior rocket science and even now its astronautic experience."

      Answer: Again, it's all a matter of money and will. Russia lost the race to the moon and now they now longer have the desire to spend the enormous amounts to send men to the moon. China might go there, because their economic structure is more "let's do this at all costs, just so we can be a world power" attitude. The fact that no one else has landed a human on the moon is no reason whatsoever to deny that the US achieved it! Again, it is enormously expensive, and since it's been done, few countries can bear to spend the money just to say "we did it too".

      YOU SAID: "- Although putting space observatories on the moon would be more logical due to things like space junk, etc., a fixed scope would be superior to anything we have here on earth But no go."

      Answer: Again, putting a space observatory on the moon would be ENORMOUSLY expensive AND very hard! It is FAR less expensive to put satellites in earth orbit. You are making judgement on what man could or could not do based on absolutely no knowledge of the problem! The mere fact that you DON'T see observatories on the moon is a big clue that the whole idea is hard to do and expensive! Yet we are doing the next best thing. Soon, the James Webb Space Telescope will be launched and it will do far more than any moon-based observatory could do.

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  4. 2
    You said:
     "Have you ever asked yourself why anyone would lie about landing on the moon?"

    Yes, of course i have asked that!
    How about: "All are decieved" for starters.
    There could be many reasons WHY!

    - Political/Militarily...keep us dumb.

    You said:
     "Or why someone was trying to keep from us that the earth was really flat?"

    Same answer: Deception.

    Thus i do not trust the powers that be much; government, big science, mainstream news especially, but any "news".
    i am slow in trusting anything as fact.

    Now, although i stated: "i DO  NOT believe humans landed on the moon", does NOT make me a " brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoop"!

    And just because i do NOT believe it does not mean i will not believe they DID land one day. i am open to the truth.

    HIS mysteries will unfold as HE desires.
    i was just asking a little question on your take of thing.
    Which led me to things i KNOW Scripturally are sound precepts! Just dealing with them is hard enough:
    Be humble or BE HUMBLED.

    May you be more humble, as more people will
    perhaps listen to you, that is my humble and loving admonishment.

    One last thing. i truly believe that this article/post, and my/our/your comments, concerning big matters like flat earth/moon, etc, are going to be but a drop in the bucket compared to what HE has in store for us!

    MAY ye TRUST IN HIM as we are in for a wild ride!

    No thing written was meant to offend, but i do stick to my admonishment about calling others "brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoops".

     But it did make me laugh!

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    1. If your answer to the question "Have you ever asked yourself why anyone would lie about landing on the moon?" is truly "All are deceived", or "Political/Militarily...keep us dumb" then you have revealed you do not possess the intellect to even assess the question. For this issue to be a "deception", it would take such a monumental conspiracy and collusion by MILLIONS of people for almost a hundred years to "pull off" this grand "lie". That is ridiculous. I'll tell you what, 6 of the 12 men who landed on the moon are still alive. GO TALK TO THEM! Hundreds of thousands of the people who worked HARD, for years, to get man to the moon and back are still alive! GO TALK TO THEM! In fact, many of them wrote books. READ THEM!

      And Anonymous if you think the earth is flat and that we are being deceived, there is NOTHING to stop you from going out and conducting an experiment where you can prove the deception! Go ahead! No one will stop you! Choose any claim of the "flat earther" and simply go out and prove it! Best of luck to you!

      No one called you a "brainless, loud-mouthed, uneducated nincompoop". That admonition was generic, and not even found in this blog post! On the other hand, since it is FACT that the earth is not flat, and it is FACT that man has landed on the moon....

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    2. Bear, my apologies for saying you don't have the intellect to assess the question. I don't know you, and I simply should not have said this. These two topics are sensitive because a LOT of time is wasted trying to explain what simply "is"! The earth is NOT flat, and man DID land on the moon. These are absolute facts. When people come along and say there are 'doubts', it literally makes my blood boil! Unfortunately, you "pushed that button" and the tiger in me came out! So...again, I apologize.

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  5. Hi Liam!

    i truly and humbly wish i did not initiate this conversation!

    It does not really matter to me anyway as i leave HIS mysteries for HIM to truly unfold, and have enough of a time doing all i can to keep HIS Torah and YEHOSHUAS sayings!

    i regret writing this and even my repliez. i am sorry.


    i did not mean to waste your time on this Sabbath especially!

    i have many other more important and very serious things
    to ask you such as this is my first time keeping HIS feasts of HIS coming up...

    i love you and Carmen and wish to thank you for showing me so much!

    please if you can just delete this nonsense and lets keep focussed on things that really matter!

    Thanks!

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    1. Sorry, but we don't know which "Anonymous" we're dealing with and therefore won't delete any of the comments. If you're the one who's been insisting the earth is flat and the moon landing never happened, then please don't bother asking us ANYTHING else because you were truly rude.

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  6. Dearest Carmen and Liam:

    Once again,
    "i truly and humbly wish i did not initiate this conversation!

    It does not really matter to me anyway as i leave HIS mysteries for HIM to truly unfold, and have enough of a time doing all i can to keep HIS Torah and YEHOSHUAS sayings!

    i regret writing this and even my repliez. i am sorry.

    i did not mean to waste your time on this Sabbath especially!

    i have many other more important and very serious things
    to ask you such as this is my first time keeping HIS feasts of HIS coming up...

    i love you and Carmen and wish to thank you for showing me so much!

    please if you can just delete this nonsense and lets keep focussed on things that really matter!"!

    i write this sincerely.

    And from now on i will use the nickname Bear when posting comments.
    You will also be able to tell from my style of writing in how i write about myself: (i,me;etc. no caps, and our FATHER/YEHOSHUA/etc.

    i truly am sorry again for wasting your time!

    i also want to state that just after appologizing the first time, i found this, which is on e again BANG ON!

    here is my “doctrine”: http://blog.therefinersfire.org/2017/05/thoughts-on-erroneous-concept-of-trinity.html?m=0

    It has answered many questions.

    Again, as for HIS mysteries, i leave them to HIM to teach and show us when and if HE decides for them to unfold.

    i have enough "simpler" things to deal with like i stayed in my earlier comment about cigarettes and sexueal lust.

    Please forgive me Sir and Madam.




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    1. Alright. Thank you Bear. Your apology is accepted. You did not waste our time and our effort with your issue was after the Sabbath. Truly, you do not need to post your comments on this blog. We both have email addresses and prefer email anyway. Carmen's is biblicaltruth613@therefinersfire.org and mine is calendar@therefinersfire.org.

      Bear, there is a LOT of misinformation on MANY issues on the Internet, FaceBook and YouTube. It takes ENORMOUS skill to ferret out the "bad" from the "good" and is a growing problem today as you can see since the buzzword of today is "fake news". This "fake news" issue should scare everyone! Are we experts on everything? Of course not. But can we help, yes we can.

      Shalom.

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