tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post520939329239145923..comments2024-03-28T02:36:00.269-07:00Comments on The Refiner's Fire Blog: Discussion with a counter-missionaryCarmenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-89609927310686497182017-12-07T08:35:18.581-08:002017-12-07T08:35:18.581-08:00Amein a thousand times, y'all!!!Amein a thousand times, y'all!!!Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-74723426675193307742017-12-07T06:52:26.325-08:002017-12-07T06:52:26.325-08:00These are the same people who don't believe th...These are the same people who don't believe that Yeshua is the Messiah during his first coming and crucified him. But He will come back one more time to redeem what belongs to Him and no one will crucify Him that time because He will come as the King of Kings.<br />Shalom Sister Shali.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-25128258502379259112017-12-06T17:28:36.521-08:002017-12-06T17:28:36.521-08:00I would suggest that everybody do a thorough word ...I would suggest that everybody do a thorough word study on all of the "suffering servant" passages in Isaiah. Then compare and contrast the various examples put forth. We see in Isaiah 41:8-12 that Israel is clearly the servant in context. In Isaiah 42: 1-4 we see a prophecy that is quoted in Matthew 12:17-23. Read and see if you think that the nation of Israel has fulfilled this "servant" prophecy. Then read Isaiah 43:10. Here we see that YHWH will provide a servant to help Israel. Israel here is not the servant, but the served. Isaiah 49:3-7 shows in verse 3 that Israel was indeed created to be a servant, but in Isaiah 43:5-8 Isaiah the prophet was a servant sent to restore Israel to YHWH. In Acts 13:47 we see that Israel still has the responsibility to be a light to the nations. Israel always was to be a servant to model the Torah and represent YHWH to the rest of the world. Isaiah 50:4-8 demonstrates the dedication and self sacrifice the suffering servant should be willing to endure. Once we are familiar with the suffering servant passages we should be able to discern the grammar of Isaiah 52-53. We should be able to distinguish between the subject and the object of the sentences. We should be able to distinguish "he" and "we" and "they" and "our". For example, if the suffering servant here is Israel, then who are those referenced as "us". TNK Isaiah 53:6 We all went astray like sheep, Each going his own way; And the LORD visited upon him The guilt of all of us." Is the "him" Israel, or is the "us" Israel? Just study these verses word by word. To me it is a broad generalization to say that Israel is the only "suffering servant" in all passages. We see that Israel was indeed called to be a suffering servant. We also see that Israel needed suffering servants in the form of prophets sent to restore them. Then we see that we, all of us have fallen short and missed the mark. We, all of us, need a redeemer. Who is that savior? I don't think that the nation of Israel is its own savior.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com