tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post3493893336715712971..comments2024-03-28T02:36:00.269-07:00Comments on The Refiner's Fire Blog: Should we use the name "Jesus" instead of "Y'eshua"?Carmenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-86215901295234449352020-01-22T12:45:45.472-08:002020-01-22T12:45:45.472-08:00Hi Maxine - yes, I remember you. I don't remem...Hi Maxine - yes, I remember you. I don't remember sending you any posts, though. What post did I send that you wish to share?Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-74306817694106950182020-01-22T10:56:20.909-08:002020-01-22T10:56:20.909-08:00Carmen!
What a pleasant surprise! It's bee...Carmen! <br /><br />What a pleasant surprise! It's been such a long time; and I am so glad to finally hear from you. <br /><br />I am Maxine Gridi. Do you still remember me? I believe we lost contact because I was tossed from Facebook censors. Anyway, I'm back! <br /><br />By the way, I love the post you emailed me. <br /><br />Would it be okay if I shared it with others on my timeline ... as there do seem to be a lot of misconceptions and/or (ongoing) debates ... about the Name of Yeshua vis-a-vis Jesus. <br /><br />God bless you and yours my schvestila Carmen. Keep in touch! Okay? <br /><br />Maxine <br /><br />Maxinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10269860127532693010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-61966478908552514622020-01-22T09:43:14.863-08:002020-01-22T09:43:14.863-08:00Yahshua is actually not correct, either, but we...Yahshua is actually not correct, either, but we'd rather you used it than that silly "Yahusha" and "Yahuah" nonsense that has led many into false doctrines by teachers who don't really know what they're talking about.<br /><br />Please read our indepth article about this issue: https://therefinersfire.org/yeshua_vs_yahshua.htm<br />Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-58590821328564553262020-01-22T08:50:30.995-08:002020-01-22T08:50:30.995-08:00I am coming to learn our Saviors name should be pr...I am coming to learn our Saviors name should be pronounced Yahshua (Yah), named after the Father Yahweh (Yah). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02753655169883881980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-19572225114326942282016-08-04T21:25:55.801-07:002016-08-04T21:25:55.801-07:00Thank you for taking the time to comment on this b...Thank you for taking the time to comment on this blog, Michael! If you ever have any questions, we would be happy to answer them!Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-37806728150818061732016-08-04T20:40:03.732-07:002016-08-04T20:40:03.732-07:00I thank you for this and all of the articles I hav...I thank you for this and all of the articles I have read. I am a gentile, very ignorant of Jewish traditions but, I find myself thinking of Yeshua as "a light of revelation to the gentiles and the glory of HIS people Israel" and in so doing, I have begun to examine what I have been taught that has roots in gentile philosophy.Michael Conawaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-25215008815890445322015-11-07T10:51:16.035-08:002015-11-07T10:51:16.035-08:00But in Greek, pronouncing "Yesous" only ...But in Greek, pronouncing "Yesous" only conveys the nominative case, while a Greek sentence reading as "Yesou" would be the genitive case. In Greek, they'd have no idea they would be making the same sounds of what is, in some circles, a Hebrew curse. I don't think it's right to say that the way a word is pronounced in one language means that person is actually saying a word form another language or carrying the meaning of the word from the other language. For example the word "pasta" in Italian means "noodles", but in Polish the same pronunciation means "toothpaste."<br /><br />A similar problem is found the way "Jesus" is used in English. Torah commands us not to use Elohim's name in vain (Exodus 20:7). But many people, Christian or otherwise, at least in the United States, will exclaim "Jesus Christ" when they are mad, hurt, upset, or angry - thus literally equating the Holy Name of the Messiah to an expletive - in English a "curse" word! I find that very troubling and I am simply not keen on using "Jesus" as the Messiah's name for that reason - yet I know that when I say "Jesus" I am decidedly NOT cursing! (I will use the name "Jesus" when I am trying to explain to someone who He is, but I will always transition to "Yeshua" as soon as the recipient of my message can accept His true Name.<br /><br />Again, blessings, and thanks for the comment on our blog.Liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281049645175102119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-56206585392562260242015-11-07T10:11:37.103-08:002015-11-07T10:11:37.103-08:00Thank you for the comment. Of course I am aware t...Thank you for the comment. Of course I am aware that some in Judaism who reject Yeshua as the Messiah will not say His name, preferring a derogatory word, something like "yahska", and I am aware that in some parts of the rabbinic community, especially the anti-missionaries, will say that the word "yeshu" (or "yshoo" as you have written it) is an acrostic for the curse "Yemach Shemo V'zichranoo". But I would have to argue that there is nothing at all wrong with the pronunciation of the Messiah's name as "Yeshua" or "Yeshuah" spoken by any person, from any language background and that it's better than "Jesus" which so many have connected to the Roman god "Zeus". After all, the word "yeshua" actually does mean "salvation" in Hebrew, while the the English word "Jesus" simply has no meaning, it is just a "word" for the name of the Messiah.<br /><br />Bless you for your comment, and yes, the wall of separation can be torn down. Perhaps in our time! ShalomLiamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281049645175102119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-15447095563608638552015-11-07T07:13:11.609-08:002015-11-07T07:13:11.609-08:00I thank you for your article it is excellent and t...I thank you for your article it is excellent and true, want to add that while it is a command that we not His name go into disuse YHVH in His infinite wisdom kept the goyishe community from the greater offense, as it is written in Tehillim 19, keep me clear from the great transgression and as if the Greek transliteration was to be pronounced without the "S" on the end it would be pronounced in such a way that would be in agreement with the Jewish curse upon His name which is that His name is pronounced as it is in Hebrew without the last syllable and then "may His name and memory be erased" is said, the last syllable being left off as a sign of this. To mispronounced His name is better then the to pronounce it as a curse and so YHVH in His infinite mercy kept the goyim from the greater sin until the set time of the Restoration which we are starting to see today. I think we all need to pray for our hearts to heal from the council of Nicea and the pursecution that followed as MASHIYACH destroyed the middle wall of separation and we can not keep rebuilding what He,destroyed and hope to fulfill the calling He has put on each of our lives. Shabbat Shalom Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16467971870407312370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-43328342137288764482015-11-07T06:59:16.285-08:002015-11-07T06:59:16.285-08:00Toda for your article it is excellent I would like...Toda for your article it is excellent I would like to add two comments if I may. One in borrowing from the KJV in Tehillim 19 King David asks YHVH to keep him clear of the great transgression,you write that the Greek phonetic transliteration would actually be pronounced Yshoo, in the Rabbinate community this is actually a curse on MASHIYACH'S name a part of the curse "May his name and memory be erased" and so I believe that G-D in His infinite wisdom, while He wants His Son's name pronounced correctly, it is a command that His name not come into disuse, but He kept the goyishe community from the greater offense of pronouncing the curse upon His name with the pronunciation having the extra "s" at the end until the time it could be restored as it is happening today. I believe that we all need to heal from the council of nicea and the pursecution that followed, if we do the middle wall of separation that MESSIAH destroyed at His death can truly be destroyed in our own lives and congregations and the goyim can then truly come into the congregation of Israel, if not we will keep on rebuilding what MASHIYACH already destroyed, it takes a lot of Prayer but it can happen Shabbat Shalom Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16467971870407312370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-75635610192251459612015-09-04T17:44:40.286-07:002015-09-04T17:44:40.286-07:00Thank YOU, PDL, for taking the time to write! It&...Thank YOU, PDL, for taking the time to write! It's wonderful to see testimonies like yours!Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-43927700232945303482015-09-04T16:30:16.709-07:002015-09-04T16:30:16.709-07:00I first heard and spoke the name Y'shua haMash...I first heard and spoke the name Y'shua haMashiyach 30 years ago when I served a military tour in the Sinai (peacekeeping) and visited Israel. YAH was longsuffering toward me for sure. It was exactly 30 years later to the month that UNDERSTOOD who Y'shua really is and that his name means 'YHWH is salvation' written on the heart on our inward parts. And I ditto Grandpa Mike - thanks for your teaching and passion for sharing!:-)PDLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01710155068729220723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-1834412680511014472015-09-03T17:46:32.279-07:002015-09-03T17:46:32.279-07:00AMEIN! WONDERFUL comments here! May YHWH richly ...AMEIN! WONDERFUL comments here! May YHWH richly bless everyone who has posted so far! Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-45824412445313747922015-09-03T17:32:42.246-07:002015-09-03T17:32:42.246-07:00Salvation is found in NO ONE ELSE, for there is no...Salvation is found in NO ONE ELSE, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. That name is YESHUA!!!! Therefore G-d raised him to the highest place and gave him the name above every name; that in honor of the name given YESHUA, every knee will bow in heaven, on earth and under the earth and every tongue will acknowledge that YESHUA the Messiah is Adonai to the glory of G-d the Father. Acts 4:12 and Philippians 2:9-11. I am so grateful for this truth! Thank-you for sharing this wonderful explanation. May Abba continue to bless and keep you. Jenn McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09617668342499982537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-29650647665157157262015-09-03T13:50:17.690-07:002015-09-03T13:50:17.690-07:00.
It appear to be a matter of translation ... base....<br />It appear to be a matter of translation ... based on correct (or incorrect) pronunciation! <br />.<br />Maxinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10269860127532693010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-32863700298949148862015-09-03T09:38:21.650-07:002015-09-03T09:38:21.650-07:00This is one of the hidden truth that is now expose...This is one of the hidden truth that is now exposed, i can say. Thanks Liam, it much clearer now.<br />Shalom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-49448554682631676942015-09-03T06:10:07.101-07:002015-09-03T06:10:07.101-07:00Thank you, Michele! We've always known the Na...Thank you, Michele! We've always known the Name of Jesus wasn't bad or "pagan" as so many assert! How could it be, when millions of us were "saved in the Name of Jesus?" Now we know the WHOLE Truth!Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-68183730636216910512015-09-02T23:43:41.038-07:002015-09-02T23:43:41.038-07:00Thank you. That is by far the best explanation I h...Thank you. That is by far the best explanation I have ever read. So many argue and try to explain away this or that with none of it making much sense, but you did an excellent job. ShalomAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865665144276762901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-42568003899887347572015-09-02T18:31:48.609-07:002015-09-02T18:31:48.609-07:00Wow, Michael - THANK YOU for those kind words! It...Wow, Michael - THANK YOU for those kind words! It's nice to get a compliment once in awhile. I agree with you...my husband is an amazing teacher!Carmenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14998146626031186940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-15463167475363816302015-09-02T18:05:09.245-07:002015-09-02T18:05:09.245-07:00Thank you for your kind words.Thank you for your kind words.Liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281049645175102119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5193745359560427451.post-30166094986190014852015-09-02T17:56:14.381-07:002015-09-02T17:56:14.381-07:00From birth through adulthood the Messiah's nam...From birth through adulthood the Messiah's name is taught as "Jesus" only those that study the bible in in all translation's or a scholar majoring in Divinity Science would understand the true name of Y'shua. With your help I've learned more in the past year than in the 43 years since I received salvation from Y'shua. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your teachings.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01150806898412647467noreply@blogger.com